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Digijanus: In The Grill · Episode 000 · Delivering Exponential Results in Banking

Questions answered in this Digijanus In The Grill episode — for fintech founders and heads of digital transformation

How do fintech founders build wealth management products for banks?

Building wealth management products for banks requires starting not with technology but with the customer problem. The most effective approach is radical customer discovery — stopping real people on the street, watching a first-time user interact with the existing product without any instruction, and identifying the single most painful friction point. From there, the fintech founder should define one killer feature, a single button with two outcomes, rather than attempting to build a full platform. The partnership with the bank needs to be anchored around proving customer love — onboarding speed, NPS, and adoption — not system integration. Founders who start with infrastructure dependencies end up building products shaped by what the bank can do rather than what customers want, which is the primary reason digital wealth projects fail to achieve transformational outcomes.

What do banks actually want from a wealthtech partner?

Banks want wealthtech partners who can prove customer outcomes quickly and independently. The most compelling thing a wealthtech can demonstrate is that customers onboard faster, engage more, and show higher NPS with the new product than with the existing infrastructure. Banks are risk-averse institutions and will always cite infrastructure constraints as reasons not to move forward. The wealthtech partners who succeed are those who build in a skunk works model — plugging into modern fractional brokers and custodians, getting API access to customer accounts, and demonstrating the product works before asking the bank to change its middle office or back office systems. The evidence of customer adoption is the only argument that moves a bank CEO.

How do you sell a DIY investment platform to a large bank?

Selling a DIY investment platform to a large bank requires framing the conversation around 10x revenue outcomes rather than technology features. Bank CEOs understand revenue; they do not respond to product demos of ETF selectors or portfolio builders. The pitch needs to show that the current digital wealth offering has poor NPS, low adoption, and is leaving significant retail revenue on the table. The wealthtech then proposes a skunk works build — a separate speedboat running alongside the main bank infrastructure — that proves the revenue thesis with real customers before any legacy system change is required. Pricing must be stated in plain language, not as an AUM percentage, which no retail customer understands.

How long does it take to get a fintech product live inside a bank?

The honest answer is that getting a fintech product fully integrated into a large bank's core infrastructure can take years, which is precisely why the skunk works approach exists. By building in a vacuum, using modern fractional custodians and brokers with API access to customer accounts, a fintech team can have a working customer-facing product live within a month. This is not the finished integrated product — it is the proof of concept that shows customer adoption, NPS improvement, and revenue potential. That evidence is what unlocks the longer-term infrastructure conversation. The mistake most fintechs make is waiting for full integration before shipping, by which point the project has stalled or been cancelled.

Why do fintech partnerships with banks fail?

Fintech partnerships with banks fail primarily because both sides start with infrastructure rather than customers. The bank lists its system constraints — no fractional shares, legacy custodian, middle office limitations — and the fintech builds around those constraints. The result is a product shaped by what the bank can technically support rather than what customers actually want, which means it never achieves the adoption or revenue targets that justified the partnership in the first place. The second reason partnerships fail is scope creep: what starts as a frontend product becomes a rip-and-replace of the middle office, back office, custodian, and broker, which kills timelines and budgets. The third reason is that transformation projects hire people who tell leadership what they want to hear rather than what is actually broken.

How do you handle a bank that says their infrastructure cannot support your product?

The answer is to build around the infrastructure constraint rather than waiting for it to be resolved. Banks have been saying their infrastructure cannot support fractional shares for years, while their customers have been trading fractional crypto on their phones. The regulatory and technical barriers are almost always overstated. The practical approach is to propose a skunk works build using modern fractional brokers and digital custodians that do support the required features, demonstrate the product to real customers, and use the customer adoption data to make the case for infrastructure change. You cannot argue a bank into changing its infrastructure with logic — you can only show them evidence of customers who love a product that their current infrastructure cannot support.

What happens when a bank middle office cannot support fractional shares?

When a bank middle office cannot support fractional shares, the skunk works answer is to route around it using a modern fractional custodian rather than attempting to upgrade the legacy system first. This means the initial product keeps assets in a separate brokerage account rather than the bank's core custodian. There will be internal resistance to this — people will object that it is a different brokerage — but the response is to show customer adoption data. Once customers demonstrably prefer the new product, the bank has the commercial evidence to justify the infrastructure investment to fix the middle office. The mistake is to attempt the middle office upgrade before proving the customer thesis, because the project almost always stalls before it ever reaches a customer.

How do fintech founders deal with banks that move too slowly?

The oil tanker metaphor is the most useful framing: if the bank is a huge oil tanker moving slowly in one direction, the fintech founder scales down the side on ropes, gets into a speedboat, and tries to get ahead of it as fast as possible. The speedboat is the skunk works product — built independently of legacy constraints, proving customer outcomes, generating data. When the speedboat gets ahead of the oil tanker, the founder turns around and shows the bank: this is what customers want. That is the only argument that moves a large institution. Waiting for the institution to change its speed before building is not a strategy — it is a reason the project never ships.

How should a wealthtech startup price its product for banks?

Wealthtech startups should price their products for banks by first ignoring how the industry has historically priced wealth management. AUM percentages, trailer fees, and wrap fees are incomprehensible to the retail customer who is supposed to use the product, and incomprehensible pricing is a barrier to adoption. The right approach is to calculate the cost of building and running the product, determine the total addressable market, and set a price that generates sustainable margin while being explainable in one sentence to a hundred people on a street corner. If every single one of those hundred people understands what they are paying and why, and the margin still works, the pricing model is correct. The growth model that validates pricing is simple: if user count does not double every month, the product or the price is wrong.

How do you prove ROI to a bank CEO for a digital wealth platform?

Proving ROI to a bank CEO requires speaking in revenue terms, not technology terms. The frame is 10x: the revenue from the bank's wealth business goes up ten times. Everything else — customer discovery, product design, team structure, infrastructure decisions — exists to serve that outcome. The practical evidence a bank CEO responds to is customer adoption data from a real product with real customers, showing NPS improvement, faster onboarding, and growing monthly active users. Abstract projections do not move bank CEOs. A working product with 16 customers doubling to 32 is more persuasive than a slide deck projecting millions of customers in year three.

What KPIs should a fintech use to prove value to a bank partner?

The most important KPI for a fintech demonstrating value to a bank partner is user count doubling month over month. If the product cannot sustain that growth rate, something is wrong — either the product, the pricing, or the customer targeting — and the honest response is to shut it down and rebuild rather than defend it. Secondary KPIs include NPS improvement versus the existing bank product, onboarding speed improvement, and customer retention rate. Revenue per customer is the ultimate metric that matters to the bank CEO, but it takes time to build. The month-over-month doubling rule is the leading indicator that makes the revenue case credible.

How do fintech founders find the right champions inside a bank to drive change?

The Shackleton advert is the right model: be completely explicit about how hard the project will be, that it may fail, that participants may be ridiculed, and that the pay is not better. The people inside the bank who still raise their hand for the skunk works room are exactly who you need. They have the conviction that precedes skillset. People who protect their jobs and arrive with feature suggestions are not useful in a transformation project — they will default to consensus and produce incremental work. The champion at the senior level needs to be the CEO or someone who reports directly to the CEO, because only that level of sponsorship can protect a skunk works team from the organisational antibodies that will inevitably try to shut it down.

What is the Singapore fintech strategy for digital wealth management?

Singapore fintech strategy for digital wealth management is characterised by a regulatory environment that actively removes barriers to innovation. The Monetary Authority of Singapore has been explicit since 2017 that it has no objection to cloud infrastructure, which underpins modern fintech architecture. Singapore-based wealthtech founders have used this environment to build fractional investing platforms, robo-advisory services, and DIY investment tools that serve retail customers across APAC. The challenge in Singapore is not regulatory — it is the same as everywhere: banks cite infrastructure constraints as reasons not to adopt new technology, and the fintech founders who succeed are those who build around those constraints with skunk works products that demonstrate customer outcomes before asking institutions to change their core systems.

How is APAC wealthtech evolving in 2026?

APAC wealthtech in 2026 is moving past the proof-of-concept phase toward full-scale DIY investment platforms that serve the mass retail segment. The competitive dynamic has shifted from technology availability — most of the required components exist — to execution quality and organisational courage. The banks and fintechs winning in APAC are those that have committed to skunk works builds, separated their digital products from legacy infrastructure, and priced for comprehensibility rather than industry convention. Singapore remains the primary hub, but the platforms built there are designed for multi-market deployment across Southeast Asia, India, and the Gulf. The next wave of APAC wealthtech growth will come from founders who have sat on both sides of the bank partnership table and understand both the customer problem and the institutional constraint.

Digijanus
In The Grill · Episode 000

Delivering Exponential Results in Banking

Episode Summary

This is Part 2 of an extended conversation with a veteran wealthtech founder who built one of Asia’s most recognised digital wealth platforms from scratch. Where the first episode diagnosed the illness, this one writes the prescription. The host puts his guest in the seat of a Head of Digital Transformation at a large bank, tasked with building a DIY investment platform, and challenges him to map — step by step — what a genuine 10x outcome would actually require.

What follows is one of the most honest and practically grounded conversations on wealth technology transformation you are likely to hear. Customer discovery on the street, build-or-partner decisions, the brutal reality of fractional share infrastructure, skunk works teams, pricing for humans rather than the industry, and managing the organisational resistance that kills every transformation project before it proves itself — nothing is held back.

Fintech Founders Are Making This Critical Mistake
Why is innovation so hard in the financial industry?
The Brutal Truth About Leaving Banking for Fintech
Banks Keep Making This Fintech Partnership Mistake
The Conversation ←  swipe to read each chapter  →
Chapter 01 · Defining the Mission

What Does a 10x Outcome Actually Mean?

Laksh — Host

We are going to deliver the 10x Digital Transformation Playbook. You are head of digital transformation at a bank, building a DIY wealth platform. How would you define a 10x outcome?

Ned — Guest

The revenue that we receive from wealth goes up ten times. That is the 10x.

Laksh — Host

Let’s structure this in four parts: customers, capabilities, talent and resources, and business. All of them come together for a viable 10x revenue outcome. You are head of retail now. How are you going to identify the customer segment first?

Chapter 02 · Customer Discovery

Go Into the Streets. No Survey Will Tell You the Truth.

Ned — Guest

Most of us know what piece of our technology sucks. I would gather a group internally and exclude anyone who didn’t speak honestly. Then I would find somebody who knows nothing about our system, give it to them, and record their face. No delight means we have an issue. Then I go into the streets myself — no survey. Stop people. Ask them why they don’t use the bank’s wealth offering. Done in one week. No longer.

Laksh — Host

Build a team of Avengers who tell you what you need to hear — not what you want to hear. Then raw one-on-one feedback from real people. What happens next?

Ned — Guest

Great technology is like a good joke — if you have to explain it, it wasn’t good. Give it to a normal human. Say nothing. If they cannot open it and use it, we have a problem. When you buy an Apple iPhone there’s no mystery. Open the box, take it out, it works. Why is ours not like that? That is the only first-principle question.

Chapter 03 · Build vs Partner

One Button. Two Outcomes. That Is the Product.

Ned — Guest

Step two: are we going to build it, or is someone helping us? I want one killer feature — a button with two outcomes. Invest or don’t. Nobody wakes up wanting a balanced equity portfolio. They want a better financial life. The Robinhood founders were gamers, not finance people — that’s exactly why it worked.

Laksh — Host

Why go to a partner before analysing your system dependencies? When a wealthtech comes in, half your tech doesn’t support fractional shares. Your custodian doesn’t. Your middle office cannot handle a fractional number. Now we are talking about open-heart surgery.

Ned — Guest

Because you’ll build crap if you start with dependencies. Your systems have no relevance to what a customer wants. People are trading fractional crypto right now — do not tell me you cannot do fractional equities. Your dependencies create half-assed tech and then you justify it. That’s why it’s not 10x and that’s why it fails.

Chapter 04 · The Skunk Works Solution

Jump Off the Oil Tanker Into a Speedboat.

Laksh — Host

What started as a frontend project has become a rip-and-replace of the middle office, back office, custodian, and broker. How do you solve it?

Ned — Guest

Skunk works. A band of rebels who build in a vacuum — ignoring the infrastructure limitations but not ignoring the bank. Go into another room, shut the door, and ask: how do we achieve? I plug in a modern fractional broker and custodian. One screen, one button — Invest Now. Every bank has APIs to customer accounts; I just need that access. If the oil tanker bank is moving slowly, you scale down the side on ropes, jump in a little boat, get ahead of it, then turn around and show them: this is what customers want.

Chapter 05 · People & Culture

The Shackleton Advert: Who Do You Want in That Room?

Ned — Guest

Ernest Shackleton’s 1914 advert: men wanted for long, hard, arduous journey — minimal food, minimal pay, great danger, successful return doubtful. He got thousands of applicants. Today I would write: you see that dusty room no one’s in? Come in, I’m locking the door for a month. Will it probably fail? Yeah. Could you get fired? Absolutely. You want in? Let’s go. That divides people — and the ones who raise their hands are exactly who I need.

Laksh — Host

Transformation leaders often arrive on a pedestal looking down. You have to start from respect — ask why those decisions were taken, under what constraints. That changes everything.

Ned — Guest

With love, kindness, and belief. Nobody wakes up wanting to create confusion. Give me a month. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. The bank that chose the wrong broker chose it because at the time it seemed right. Totally fine. We move forward from there.

Chapter 06 · Revenue & Pricing

Price for Humans, Not for the Industry.

Ned — Guest

Every month we produce one feature, one button only. Month one: one client. Month two: two clients, or we shut it. 2, 4, 8, 16 — any month it doesn’t double, we close it cold-heartedly. On pricing: ignore AUM percentages, trailer fees, wrap fees. Our industry has made itself incomprehensible. Go into the street. If a hundred people all understand what they are paying and you still make margin, you have found your model.

Laksh — Host

Your wealth team will say one RM could put this volume through. How do you manage the CEO and guide them toward the right KPIs?

Ned — Guest

The RM is a dying business — make a choice. Robinhood charged zero for brokerage. Everyone laughed. They redefined an industry. I say to the CEO: that superstar RM is playing cricket and I’m playing football. My singular job is 10x revenue. If the CEO can’t get behind that — I’m out. You cannot fix a problem if the person above you doesn’t want it fixed.

Key Insights ←  swipe through each insight  →
01
How do fintech founders identify what is broken in a bank’s digital wealth product before building anything new?

The answer is radical internal honesty before a single line of code. Assemble people who will say exactly what is wrong — exclude anyone who arrives with a feature pitch — then give the existing product to a complete stranger and record what breaks. In Singapore fintech and APAC wealthtech, the products that fail are almost always the ones that skipped this step.

02
What is the right way to do customer discovery for a digital wealth platform in APAC?

Go into the streets yourself. Stop real people and ask them directly why they do not use the bank’s wealth offering. No survey will give you the truth. The rare customer who does use it and loves it is the only voice that matters — everything else is noise. This approach applies whether you are building for Singapore digital wealth or scaling across APAC wealthtech markets.

03
How do fintech founders build a DIY investment platform when a bank’s infrastructure cannot support it?

The skunk works model is the answer for any wealthtech founder facing bank infrastructure constraints. Build in a vacuum using modern fractional brokers and digital custodians. Prove the customer thesis with real adoption data. Then use that evidence to move the oil tanker. Waiting for the bank’s middle office to be ready before shipping is not a strategy — it is how digital transformation projects fail.

04
How do you hire the right team for a fintech transformation project inside a large bank?

Write the Shackleton advert: be explicit that the project may fail, participants may be ridiculed, and the pay is not better. The people who still raise their hands are who you need. For Singapore fintech and Head of Digital Transformation roles alike, conviction precedes skillset — every time. The team that answers the Shackleton advert will build something the consensus team never could.

05
How should a wealthtech startup price its product for retail banking customers in APAC?

Abandon AUM percentages, trailer fees, and wrap fees — they are incomprehensible to the retail customer you are trying to reach. Price in plain English: if a hundred people on a street corner all understand what they are paying and you still make margin, the model works. Then apply the doubling rule — if user count does not double every month, shut the product down and rebuild. This is how B2B fintech sales strategy in Asia actually proves ROI to a bank CEO.

The Participants
Laksh Gangwani
Laksh Gangwani
Founder, Digijanus
Host

Laksh Gangwani is Founder of Digijanus and a C-level executive at a global financial institution. He has driven market expansion across Singapore, Australia, Thailand, Dubai, and India. Recognised as WealthBriefing Asia’s Leading Individual in 2021, he brings two decades of capital markets and wealthtech expertise across the Asia-Pacific region. Digijanus reaches over 80,000 followers and growing.

Ned Phillips
Ned Phillips
WealthTech Entrepreneur
Guest

Ned Phillips founded Bambu, one of the world’s foremost digital wealth technology providers — delivering cloud-based, algorithm-driven platforms that made saving and investing accessible for institutions of every size. A veteran builder who has sat on both sides of the transformation table, Ned is known for his radical customer-first philosophy and his refusal to accept legacy infrastructure as an excuse.

About Digijanus

Founded by Laksh Gangwani in 2021, Digijanus is on a mission to build a better financial industry. It convenes founders, operators, and institutional leaders through partnerships, advocacy, and shows — opening conversations that expedite the transformation of the industry.

The Shows
Vantage Point

Conversations with industry leaders, CEOs, policymakers, central bankers, and regulators — the structural picture and the direction of those with the power to change it.

In The Grill This episode

Fintech founders and operators in the hot seat — how to actually build and scale in financial services, without the press release version.

Master Class

Subject experts sharing hard-won insight — from venture capital mechanics to regulatory frameworks. Built for practitioners by practitioners.

Quietly Big

Events and ideas with the power to transform the entire industry — significant insight, delivered without fanfare.

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